Mining or Food?

kurdapya's picture

I am pulling this up as I feel this is a good topic which pros and cons need to be discussed.

...dave

"Philippines: Mining or Food?" Summary of Main Findings and Recommendations

By Robert Goodland and Clive Wicks of the Working Group on Mining in the Philippines (WGMP)

Main Findings of the Report (Submitted February 2009)

• Deforestation and mining have contributed to the worst food
crisis in Philippine history.
• The Philippines has changed from being a rice exporter into the
world's biggest importer of rice (ex. 500,000 tonnes were
purchased from Vietnam in January 2009)
• Rice imports drain foreign exchange; this will intensify with current
mining plans. Current poverty levels are unacceptable; mining
exacerbates poverty and creates few jobs.
• Conflict over mining plans between local/ regional and national
government is escalating. Mining increases environmental
damage, both short and long term (centuries). It is also
generating and exacerbating conflict and human rights violations.
• Indigenous people and the poor bear the brunt of such damage.
• Good laws and regulations (e.g. FPIC) exist, but are generally not
enforced.
• The cumulative economic , social and cultural impacts of mining
have not been adequately assessed or addressed. This is evident
in relation to food security.
• Mining cannot be the engine for sustainable development in the
Philippines.

Recommendations to Government (and Line Agencies)

• A growing number of municipalities and provinces have enacted
moratoria against mining. We recommend that a national
moratorium be enacted and a review of existing contentious
mining operations conducted in order to foster agreement on how
and where Responsible Mining* may be achieved. Democratic
governments heed the wishes of LGUs and the people, and are
not swayed by the few.
• Departments concerned with food security must prevail over
mining departments.
• DENR's two functions conflict. Separate environmental
conservation from mining promotion.
• Prioritize food production over mining. Emphasize domestic rice
production before mining, before agrifuels and before export
crops. Rice farming helps many citizens; mining enriches few.
• Enforce the "polluter pays principle" by means of mandatory (a)
Performance Bonds or (b) Insurance so that if tailings dam burst
or poisons flow downstream, there is adequate money readily
available to pay for rehabilitation.
• Uphold national and international legal obligations in relation to
the right to food and water, the right to a healthy environment
and indigenous peoples ancestral domain rights.
• Reform the NCIP to ensure it is representative of and accountable
to indigenous peoples and staunchly supports them as its
paramount goal. Address widespread violations of FPIC processes
and revoke current FPIC guidelines.

Facts Against Mining

man-uukag's picture

These are facts against mining, can anyone show us some facts on the good of mining or a rebuttal of those mentioned above??

Point of Views

Jorge O. Macenas's picture

What else should be expected of “findings” from a group whose main reason for existence is to advocate mining ban. Of course the group findings “must” fit into their advocacy otherwise they will contradict themselves.

Anti mining advocates should follow through with concrete action of NOT supporting mining by NOT PATRONIZING any product with any single component derived from mining. Walk the talk so to speak.

Allow me please to share my thoughts about the “findings” WGMP.

1. “Deforestation and mining have contributed to the worst food crisis in Philippine history.” Quote from WGMP.

Again, this is a misleading attempt to leverage food against mining. Let us take Catanduanes for example. There is no mining there for now but deforestation is widespread by way of logging, slash and burn, and natural causes.

There is no mining there yet Catanduanes is a net importer of food. Has anyone seen a basket load of food product being loaded into the ferry ship for delivery to Bicol mainland market? We even import fish and rice from the mainland.

There is no mining in Catanduanes. This leaves the government the only major employer in the island. No wonder politics is a way of life there. No wonder politicians are very “PODEROSO” because politicians know people has few employment alternatives.

2. “The Philippines has changed from being a rice exporter into the world's biggest importer of rice (ex. 500,000 tonnes were
purchased from Vietnam in January 2009).” Quote from WGMP.

The Philippines is traditionally a rice importing country. The few times we exported rice were during the Masagana 99 program in the 70’s. Those were the years when Philippine population was less than 40 million. The rice production then was driven by excessive chemical farm inputs which were expensive, dependent on foreign multinationals and caused havoc in the ecosystem. The damage in the ecosystem lingers on until now. When was the last time you saw birds like “tugtog” pangkayanan, damurog, swarm of mayas? When was the last time you caught plenty of haruan, pantat, hito, mirapina in the rice fields?

WGMP could have overlooked one of the reasons for stagnation in food production is the destructive farming practices decades ago causing stunted therefore less productive soil.

WGMP did not mention the main factor why we remained a rice importing country because our population grows at much faster rate than we increase production.

WMGP ignored or failed to consider the above mentioned factors in their haste to lay the blame of food shortage to mining industry. Please help me find the head and the tail of these so called WGMP “findings”

There are my points of views for now. More will be discussed in next posting.

dai pa daa ning mining!

burabod_bato's picture

tama! kaya man dai pa ning nahihling asin namamatean na epekto. ngonyan, hahalaton ta pa daw na madisgrasya kita bago kita maghiro asin maggibo nin tamang aksyon. dai ta na paghalaton na ulaan kita ning pagkaininit na tubig tanganing maghiro asin lumaban kita.

@ JOMS point of view:

john_torres's picture

What should we expect from person or group of persons whose agenda is to exploit our natural reserves? Of course, to defend and justify their pending rape to our Mother Nature! They will surely sing Hallelujah to Monte Oro (with the blessings of Malacanang) for their plans to siphon huge coal reserves and make Catanduanes a hell!
It is true that Catanduanes and its people are on its sad state though mining is not yet operational in the island. But mining will DEFINITELY AGGRAVATE the sufferings of our people.
Because of our government’s rotten system and its politics and because of the geographical location of our province, we abhor the planned full and large scale mining operations in Catanduanes!

"Bayan kong sinilangan, pinamumugaran na ng mga swapang!:

kumusta?

burabod_bato's picture

Catandunganon ka talaga ta namamate mo an tama asin kaipuhan ta sa satong probinsya. bako tabing "Cool-mining" heheheh

You can expect from me to

Jorge O. Macenas's picture

You can expect from me to push for sustainable mining. I believe it can be done in the case of coal mine in Catanduanes. I believe sustainable mining is Pro Poor, Pro Development and a responsible means of utilizing and sharing God's given natural resources.

As proponent of sustainable mining, I strongly opposed the amargaha mining operation in Payo and Bagamanoc for the simple reason that offshore mining is not sustainable. Please read my CF postings for your reference. It may sound self serving, but let me share this with you. I talked to the people directly involved in the amargaha mining and told them to STOP their operation could not be sustained because of the destructive method of their extraction, notwithstanding the necessary permits.

I conditionally support the Aggregate Mining in Bato river because it is necessary and beneficial to the local needs provided the dredging/quarrying activity should be more than a kilometer away from the Bato bridge.

I dont support the Church stand against coal mining because I believe their basis is driven by overblown perception, unsubstantiated with technical data, strong arm tactics of humiliating innocent people and encroaching on the government's role of distributing benefits of natural resources to the Filipino people.

I dont accept the fact that Filipino people are sitting on top of vast natural wealth while wallowing in miserable poverty.

THESE ARE WHAT SHOULD BE EXPECTED OF ME.

Wt s ProPoor, ProDvlt & a responsible utilization of God's gift?

burabod_bato's picture

this is i think the very first question i want to raise and maybe ask to you my dear mining-advocate-friend. i know how eager you are to pursue coal-mining in Catanduanes. i also believe that your advocacy for that said mining is intended for the good of the people of Catanduanes not for your own good or for others good. however, with what you've said that the Catholic Church has overblown perception; is unsubstantiated with technical data; an strong arm tactics of humiliating innocent people; and encroaching on the govt's role of distributing benefits of natural resources to the Filipino people is quite disturbing and against the truth. i think this is one of the policies of CF to tell the truth and nothing but the truth. examining well the high-falluting words you used to describe how the church acts against mining is in itself a description of a very bias judgment and a false accusation. this is primarily because it is contrary to the actions of the church in Catanduanes. you just said that because the church concerns very much the welfare of the people of Catanduanes especially the poor. the church never humiliated innocent people instead it is the one who helped them to be judge fairly and justifiably. the church never fear even the untouchables in this society. the church always stands for the truth and nothing but the truth.

The stand of the Church

ilaya's picture

I believed in the stand of the church against mining in Catanduanes as it is not only spirituality but morality and social issues are at stake here. The church cannot just sit in the sideline with issues that will affect it's brethren and parishioners to think of the impending rape and destruction of Catanduanes from mining. The livelihood, the environment, pollution and health are issues that the church cannot ignore.

John and to all CF member

Jorge O. Macenas's picture

John and to all CF member who oppose coal mining in Catanduanes, allow me please to ask you and kindly answer the following questions:

1. Are you against any form of mining in Catanduanes?
2. Out of the 8,000 hectares coal concession area, how many hectares do you believe will eventually be affected when actual mining begins?
3. What is your exact understanding of open pit mining, tunneling or "camote mining" just in case you heard one before. Which method do you believe will be used just in case coal mining pushes through? In what way and up to what extent the mining activity will affect the environment?
4. Have you actually been to an active mining area with similar mineral formation as Catanduanes. I suggest you visit coal mines in Naga, Cebu or Toledo City, in Malanggas, Zamboanga. Forget Semirara, the coal deposits there are too huge to be compared to Catanduanes. Have you talked to the majority of people in a particular mining area?
5. Some say Php6 billion some say Php15 billion will be taken by the mining operators. Do you believe in this amount?
6. Sa paanong paagi maa aggravate nin coal mining ang economic sufferings nin mga taho specifically kaming mga taga Norte?
7. Private enterprise ang mining operators. Sa anong paagi ma involve ang politics asin "rotten government system" other than issuance of regulatory permits, licenses and levie of taxes?
8. Bako daw na "pagswapang or NAKED GREED" an ugaling okay lang kung ang produktong pigagamit are mined from outside Catanduanes such as cement, steel products, krudo, gasolina, etc. pero kitang taga Catanduanes dili gustong mag share sa iba banwaan nin atong God given natural resources.

Straightforward answers will be highly appreciated.

My Answer and Views

ilaya's picture

1. Yes any form of Mining specially commercial.
2. The whole of Catanduanes the streams and rivers and seas.
3. Massive movement and displacement of soil and rocks especially in
open pit method. Destroying the geologic foundation of the spot
being mine in tunneling method. Quarrying for gravel and sand is
camote mining to me. I believe if mining pushes through the safeguards
will be circumnavigated to make more profits. These are the
practices of crooked businessmen. Thus making the risk and hazard
for mining disaster high.
4. No and i am not interested as i am against mining in similar places.
5. More than that amount will only end up to foreign hands and
few crooks. Can't we see we are rich in resources gold and silver and steel.
These are mined but did our nation get rich and develop inspite of
long years of continous mining.
6. The livelihood in farming and fishing will be severely affected when
land and water and air becomes polluted. Most the health of the people.
7. Corruption, scams and schemes. These has been happening in lows and high which make our nation in world ranking.
8. Not greed but protection of the natural livelihood and habitat of the
people is at stake here. Our island is small and they can mine
somewhere else in China or US. So be it if we have to import all the
materials we need like Japan we can also do. Just like rice we don't have enough we're importing or we can do and bear with camote. Coal is the number
polluter and can we start helping our planet now from denying that
coal to lessened the threat of global warming. There are so many
alternatives now for power generation and people can start and act
now. No more to coal. How about power from wind, solar and biofuel?

mining..

toracks's picture

1. yes!!!!!!
2. mostly if not all
3. i understand it as destroying mother nature. the method is not a big deal the highlight is the effect of the act of mining, in that case it doesnt really matter what method is used. only those blinded by money do not understand that mining is very harmful, well to the extent of bringing the island into seabed
4. no, but should we let our place be ruined as there place. only the beneficiary individuals accept its good effect.
5. yes, maybe more
6. well if your from the north, aram mo na people from the island are mostly farmers, palagay mo puede mag tanom nin kamote sa pit kan mina? and as mining contributes in global warming increasing storms strength and drowning your hometown would you thing you can still live in that place if its not there?
7. the giving of permit is enough corruption, simple money. alangan man dolce
8. its not being swapang sir, its giving priority to what is important. pag imina mo an isla ta we give up too much for the sake of its products. other places can be mined for coal and other but our place cannot withstand it. isipon mo su mga tao na yaon sa pagtios na ga asa sa natural resources. and the fact that the world is campaign for the stop of the abuse of the environment. if it is your backyard that will be sacrifice will you sacrifice that backyard maski na nag-asa an barangay mo sa bakuran mo? we can share other things to other places.
our land is not for mining, the local government must invest on local products, let the people manufacture from our locall products such as abaca and lasa, imbes ipabakal raw products why dont we manufacture this, instead of mining. sir, there are many ways of making our place grow economically.
toracks

this is my personal answer...

burabod_bato's picture

1. yes
2. more than 8T h
3. don't tell me that mining will never affect the environment
4. you are suggesting places where people are crying foul coz of the effect of mining in the environment. pls. don't just focus on one side.
5. maybe
6. sa ngonyan dai pa, pro hw abt the next 20 yrs. or maybe less than that
7. though private, may kapit asin pasarumsom ( sound an accusation but there's truth in that. tama? not specifically maybe in Catanduanes ("maybe")
8. there are other ways of sharing the gifts of God. right? mining is not just opposed in Catanduanes but mining is opposed even in various places here in the Philippines. malakas lng tlga. pobre lng kmi.

Question: Mining or Food???

man-uukag's picture

The lines from the song “Question” by Cris Slade/Manfred Mann echoed on my mind.

It goes something like this:

“They answered my questions with questions... And pointed me into the night
Where the moon was a star-painted dancer... And the world was just a spectrum of light”

“They answered my questions with questions... And set me to stand on the brink
Where the sun and the moon were as brothers... And all that was left was to think”

“They answered my questions with questions... And pointed me into the night
The power that bore me had left me alone... To figure out which way was right”

Going back to the topic, why majority of CF members are against mining in Catanduanes is because of the fact that no one try to impress, explain, and guarantee to the readers how “sustainable mining” can be done in our province.

It will not bring us any better if we involve ourselves in argument by questions instead of explaining the points being contested.

This loaded questions particularly the rhetorical ones will just aggravate to the emotions of some readers who are against mining that might cause more heated exchanges in the future.

So I would rather suggest that someone explain how “sustainable mining” will be done in Catanduanes to convince every anti-mining members of CF that the previous anti-mining posts were nothing but pigments of imagination.

Facts against Views

ilaya's picture

Mining Facts are loud and clear. The results are negative only more destruction to environment and people.

Mining Views are loud and clear. The motive money and more money nevermine environment and people.

Mining facts

amore's picture

TO ALL PEOPLE WHO WANTS MINING:

Tama si Ilaya, Mining facts are loud and clear...the motive is more money (profit) nevermine the environment & people... in shorts, the result are negative only..........
How about our people, your people, and our paradise Islands???? Wag kayong masilaw sa perang kikitain nyo!

Mining impact is the intensity, on overall risk.

General Environmental Impacts
Resource Consumption
Land
Water
Resource degradation
Subsidence
Unstable piles
Vegetation and habitat destruction
Soil and water contamination
Runoff
Spills of fuels, lubricants, and hydraulic oils

Risks
While the quantity of solid waste generated by mining operations is huge, much of the waste poses little direct risk from a toxicity standpoint. There are significant exceptions, such as high levels of arsenic and lead in some ores, cyanide discharges from gold beneficiation processes, and radionuclide emissions from uranium often found in the vicinity of copper deposits. There are also indirect effects, such as acid runoff. But apart from these exceptional cases, typical mining waste is relatively benign in terms of the standard hazardous waste characteristics.

On the other hand, the effects of quantity itself poses risks peculiar to the sector. Acid runoff and wind-blown dust from large piles can pose widespread risk of adverse health effects and land and water resource degradation. Large piles often involve large water impoundments, which can be unstable, causing disastrous flooding. And the need for large scale land restoration, always an imperfect process, can lead to significant habitat destruction.

Your attention to these concerns is highly appreciated.

Regards,
AMORE

May your troubles be less, Your blessings be more, And nothing but happiness come through your door.

that's right!

burabod_bato's picture

ejr