I am posting here a letter to JOM for our information towards balanced view on Mining in Catanduanes.
Thank you JOM for the initiative. This is an important issue to all of us and this letter clarified a lot of sub-issues.
Dear Mr. Macenas,
I am Rogelio del Rosario, Jr. , a senior geologist from the Department of Energy (DOE). You were right that the DOE has awarded a coal operating contract (COC) to Monte Oro Resources & Energy Inc. (MOREI) on November 2005 to explore the seven thousand hectares of lands located within the municipalities of Caramoran, Panganiban & San Andres. Right now the contract is nearing to its full term (2 years exploration + 2 years extension as prescribed by PD 972 otherwise known as Coal Operating Contract System and will expire on November 2009. During this period they have the option either to proceed to development/production (D/P) if they will be able to block a reserve sufficient for mining or relinquished back the said coal blocks if the said reserves does not qualifies for mining. You were right also in saying that MOREI is in the process of evaluating the results of the geological, drilling, trenching and test pitting activities they have done so far in the COC area in order to determine if the reserve will be okey for mining. They need to submit this evaluation report to DOE for technical evaluation and if the DOE sees that the establish reserve is feasible for mining then that is the time that their COC-exploration will be converted to D/P and they will be required to submit a five year development plan. But prior to conversion to D/P, they need to secure first an ECC from the DENR. Securing an ECC as we know is a through and lengthy process which the proponent need to undergoes before doing a project in the province. It is this time that all concerns and issues related to the said project will be answered and addressed upon. It is also this time that all the stakeholders, LGUs, NGOs, religious, concerned groups, etc. will be consulted and to be ask if they are in favor or not with the project. In the end the decision will lies to our fellow Catanduenon whether coal mining in Catanduanes will prosper or not.
Since the awarding of COC last November 2005, the DOE technical team have been doing frequent monitoring of all exploration activities by MOREI in compliance with the approved work program and as far as I'm concerned what they are doing are all purely exploration activities geared for the eventual blocking of coal reserves not mining as what is circulating nowadays in the entire province. I guess the people are misinformed and have jumped to conclusion that MOREI is now mining the coal in the COC area. My fellow province mate this is not true and I can attest to this since I have been there in the nose of MOREI since the day one of their contract with the DOE.
I guess the misconception of MOREI is mining the coal started in the illegal hauling of coal stockpiled in the Camp Ermitano area and the magnetite sand in Bagamanoc. I won't be speaking on the magnetite sand mining issue in Bagamanoc since that commodity rests on the Bureau of Mines. I will be commenting on the coal since the matter falls within the domain of DOE. For the information of everybody that coal was not mined by MOREI but was the product of the mining activities done by the CANARDECO during the 70s. Based from our source, it is one of the relatives of the former mining operator (and I'm not in the position to tell) who facilitated the hauling and sale of the coal in the Camp Ermitano area. It is not only the DOE that has been robbed of the shares from the sales but the LGUs as well of the province and town having jurisdiction over the former coal stockpile. I guess the decision of filing or pursuing the case for this matter now rest to DOE as we have already done our part as technical in documenting the said incident.
With regards to the issues that come out in the previous forum of associating the extent of environmental damages based on the awarded blocks of 7,000 hectares, I think that allegation is not properly correct and don't have technical basis. The usual approach in exploration is that it started with larger area and end up zeroing a small area. I agree with you that not all the blocks that have been awarded to MOREI will be mined entirely by the company. As I said previously, MOREI is still in the exploration stage. They have just gone through with geological mapping quantifying and determining the various lithological units (rock types) in the COC area. Catanduanes Island rests on volcano-metamorphic basement rocks which are not coal bearing. Results of geological mapping had shown that most of their blocks have this type of lithological units and won't be the subject anymore of future activities. They have concentrated their activities within the Malabog-Ubi area wherein they will be able to drill 10 shallow drill holes to prove the sub lateral persistencies of the identified coal seams. Drilling results pinpointed a discontinuous and structurally disturbed (faulted) coal seams. Again you were right in saying that such deposit could not be subjected to an open pit/cast mining which is said to be environmentally destructive and qualifies for an underground mining method in order to be technically feasible and commercially viable. Further during the conversion process, MOREI will relinquished the blocks that are non-coal bearing and will retain only those blocks containing coal. Thus the above assumption is baseless and unfounded.
There are still so many issues that needs to be answered and pardon me coz I don't have the luxury of time. I can only answer the things that I know and could not go on further on the other issues especially those that concerned my agency. What I have written here does not reflect the official position of the DOE.
Thank for allowing me to present my view in this forum. Good day!
Rogelio A. del Rosario, Jr.
dear ALL
Dios mayad na aldaw tabi sainyo gabos...Alam ko pong grabi na ang kagaramuhan nyo manungod sa isyung mina sa satuyang padabang isla. Igwa pong gapabor base sa eksperyensya, kamatidan asin kadunungan na napuga hari sa syensya. Igwa man pong gamakurog na habo magtugot minahon o tapyasan ang kagayunan asin katrangkiluhan nin samuyang namugtakan. Kadakran po sainyong mga gadiskoter, wara na po halos uya sa isla...pinarid na asin piga-pakinabangan magpuon sa Asya...Europa...hanggang sa America. Bitbit ang dunong...ang pagka mapakumbaba...ang pagkamahigos...ang pagka-igwang takot sa Dios asin ang igwang pagmakurog sa sainyong ginikanan, na pinanghulma sainyo nin padaba nyong isla. Kadakran po sainyo pinadakula sa pag-uma, pagtanom, pag-copra,pag hagot nin abaca, pag sima sa sarog asin paglawod.Naka eksperyensya nin mag tago-taguan sa kakahuyan, magbalanse sa sagop nin kaumahan,mag sankay sa karbaw, mag-inom nin tubig sa linaw nin burabod, maglangoy sa sarog,mamanwit sa dagat, magsakat nin bunga hari sa manlain-lain na prutas....na magpasa hanggang ngonyan iyo paman syempre ang sainyong piga paribudan. Nabalitaan mi uya na dai na kamo jan namanwit ta pinagkahusto na daa sa lata ang isisila nyo, dai na palan kamo gasakat nin prutas buda ga kud-kud nin niyog ta pinuga na sa tetra pack ang tagok nin sainyong piga rig-ok, dai n pati kamo gagamit nin abaniko pati mosquitero ta aircon na palan ang sainyong kwarto. Gapasalamat kami sa mahal na dios na sa maski simpleng pagpadakula sainyo uya sa isla dakula man paran na pakinabang ang pigatao nyo sa ibang lahi...na saro kamong ehemplo sa mga kababanwa nyo. Hapot mi lang bilang mga tugang nyong nahubon uya sa isla:
1.Kung minahon an isla dakula daw kaya ining pakinabang sa kagabsan na gailok sa isla?
2.kun igwang kikitaon na kwarta an Isla, kaya daw tabing ibarik ang dae ta man pigadasar na posibleng mangyaring- magka-igwang magadan,mawal-an nin pagkabuhay, mauyag na kapaributan sa tilis, baha, kuntaminadong tubig o ano pa man na posibleng kapahamakan na mangyayari ?
3. Mamatian pa daw nin mga masunod pang henerasyon ang kagayunan asin katrangkiluhan na namagtukan mi ngonyan?
Mabalos...
[ "Dai man-ipot nganing dai pag duhayan!"...taypongard ]
Dear Lovely Sophie, You
Dear Lovely Sophie,
You speak of the surveys as your basis for saying that all people have negative perception on DOE, DENR (not DNR), other agencies and politician who are involved in mining. Ang tanong ko lang tutuo at credible ba tung mga surveys na sinasabi mo? Were these surveys done objectively, correctly and does truly reflect the voice of the actual surveyed population? Sinu-sino ang mga respondent at anu ang purpose at methodology ng survey? Ngayon kung di eto maliwanag at e lalabas lang haka-haka at allegasyon ang lahat. Madami kasing mga survey ang lumalabas ngayon na one sided at di talaga laong malaman yung tutuong pulso ng tao sa mga isyu at usapin. Ngayon kung patuloy tayong maniniwala sa mga surveys na to na di naman natin talaga alam kung pano ginawa at ano ang motibo ng pagkagawa ay lumalabas lang na tayo ay nagpapaniwala sa mga haka-haka, sabisabi at mga bagay na alang basehan. Hindi lahat ng nababasa natin at sinasabi ay tutuo at may katotohanan. Maginbestiga muna tayo at maging mapanuri kung may basehan ang mga eto. Kailangan maging maingat tayo sa mga sinasabi natin kasi karangalan at reputasyon ng mga nabangit na ahensya at mga prominenting tao ang nakataya dito. Once the reputation have been damaged it is irreversible. Kahit sang milyon ka mang mag I'm sorry e di na to mababalik. Para etong pako na matapos mung pukpukin at bunutin ay nadon pa rin ang bakas at lamat ng pagkakabaon. Maselyahin mo man lalabas parin ang bakas at pilat ng pagkakabaon.
So I suggest that we should be responsible in everything that we do, sa mga bagay na sinasabi at sinusulat natin dahil madaming nakakabasa nito. If we don't have concrete proof about it then its better not to say it. I am not curtailing freedom of expression here but we should be responsible in everything that we say kasi baka sa atin din bumalik yon. Lets remember na kaakibat ng kalayaan ay responsibilidad.
Again salamat sa paniniwala mo na isa ako akong mabuting kawani ng gobyerno. Marami parin kami dito sa DOE. Hope we could exchange more views constructively, objectively and squarely.
Rogelio del Rosario
Paasenso nanga ang Catanduanes, pino-problema nyo pa?
To all CATANDUNGANON,
Natural na po yan lhat, ksama na ang mga advantages and disadvantages sa pag-asenso! natatakot kayo n baka masira ang Catanduanes?
kahit san KApa pumunta natural na ang COAL MINING! tingnan nyo yung ibang lugar, bansa at kahit panga sa Mars nagkaka-interes para sa mining! umasenso sila dahil my trabaho! ang Catanduanes sa pag puti pa ng OWAK at pag itim pa ng dUgwak?? mahirap b intidihin un!?
May mga komo-kontra lng nman at pinag-aawayan lng nman ung kanya2x nlang kckback? dahil sa politics and syempre business interests!
May COAL MINING or WALA! Yung mga nsa business and politics parin ang nakikinabang, Yong iba mag-aantay nlng n batohin ng tinapay!
Wala p naman sigurong tao na taga Catanduanes na kumakain ng lupa at trUso! hnd b ganun un? mga KONTRA GUSTO?! Sasakyan pa ng mga taga-TAAS! kunwari makikisama sila sa protesta db ganun un!?! Kya ngayon anong nangyayari? may takot na kayong nararamdaman!
ang masasabi KO lng po:
ang isyu po dito, Yung ADVANTAGES at DISADVANTAGES lng ng COAL MINING! mahirap bang intindihin un? Wag n sana tayong makisaw-saw sa mga negosyante at politiko.
ang gawin natin mag-sikap tayong lahat para sabay-sabay tayong umasenso!
TAYO'Y PILIPINO MAY "DUGONG MAHARLIKA" SILANG NASA NEGOSYO AT POLITIKA???
" PALAWAKIN NATIN ANG ATING MGA ISIPAN!"
kitika daw ako pilipino...
"kahit san KApa pumunta natural na ang COAL MINING"
"Wala p naman sigurong tao na taga Catanduanes na kumakain ng lupa at trUso"
nagpatago ka pa sa pagiging pilipino...
naglecture ka pa...
dinamay mo pa ang mars...
tinigmuk mo pa ang pulitika...
paliwanagi ngani ako sa paagi nin bikol ta tibaad mapaniwala mo lamang ako.
PUNTO POR PUNTO!!!
PALIWANAG?
Dai aq nagpaliwanag sa tawong daing paka-intindi!
ano daw???!?
dai talaga masabutan an bikol mo 'noi...baging sa taga-kalipungawan hakhakhakha
DAI MO TLAGA MASABUTAN!
DAHIL DAI KANG PAKASABOT! WAhahahahahaah!!
hari na pagpilit kun dai kaya
pilipit talaga an arimantak mo...pabayae na sana hehehe. panghapot daw sa palibot kun sisay man an maniwala saimo na may pakasabot ka hahaha
pro-mining ka pala @
pro-mining ka pala @ Pilipino? ngata? pwede mo tabi ipaliwanag ang opinyon mo?
Lecture me please!!!
“ang isyu po dito, Yung ADVANTAGES at DISADVANTAGES lng ng COAL MINING!!!” – Pilipino
Parang masmadami ang nalalaman mo Pilipino sa advantages at disadvantages ng coal mining sa Catanduanes so pwede po paki-lecturan po kami para naman palaman at maging bukas an gaming isipan sa mga bagay nayan.
Pumili ka lang kahit isa ADVANTAGES o DISADVANTAGES ng coal mining yon lang po.
Bako man po Makitid pag-iisip nin Katandunganon!
Amigong Pilipino,
Magayon man na naipaabot mo an saimong paninindugan manungod sa Coal Mining sa SAMUYANG isla. Aram niamong manga taga-Catanduanes an manga posibilidad na pwedeng mangyari sa likod kan aktibidades na ini.
Sa sitwasyon nin sarong kasaday na isla na arog kan Catanduanes, sisay man tabi an nagtaram saimo na “aplikable” an Coal Mining” digdi? Aram mo daw tabi an dalagan nin pulitika sa SAMONG isla? Dahil sa pulitika, pig-iitsa-pwera pirmi an karahayan nin ka-gabsan.
Malawak po ang aming isipan. Ikaw po marahil ang may-makitid na pag-unawa kasi nakatuon lang sa PERA ang iyong depensa.
"Bayan kong sinilangan, pinamumugaran na ng mga swapang"
Do you know where’s your
Do you know where’s your brain is??? PILIPINO
Anong klaseng tanong yan?? natatakot kayo n baka masira ang Catanduanes? Hehehe siguro hindi ka taga catanduanes kaya ganyan ka makapagsalita, for your information OF COURSE kaming mga ANTI-MINING takot kami masira ang Catanduanes dahil dyan kami nagmula kasama ng mga ninuno namin.
Ang catanduanes aasenso kung walang mangungurapot na mga GOBYERNO! At sama samang magkakaisa sa pag-unlad sa pamamagitan ng mga maayos na sistema ng mga GOBYERNO!
OF COURSE sino bang kakain ng LUPA at TROSO heheheh alam mo namang hindi pagkain yon, Masisipag ang mga taga catanduanes sa pagtatanim kaya kahit kelan di magugutom kung masipag lng ang lahat. Ang pera hindi nakukuha sa isang “magic” or even sa coal mining para masira ang Catanduanes.
YES,. DIS-ADVANTAGE ng COAL Mining at ADVANTAGE ng MINING pinag-uusapan d2… Ano ba sa tingin mo ang dis-advantage ng coal Mining di ba dapat matakot kami dahil baka magising kami isang araw na wala na kaming matitirhan dahil nagunaw ang catanduanes dahil sa coal mining na yan?
ADVANTAGE- sa tingin mo ba ang advantage ay makikinabang ang lahat ng tao sa catanduanes??? THINK ABOUT IT! Di ba hindi naman??? Kundi mapupunta lng sa kaban ng bayan at sa mga negosyante at sa mga Politiko!
Ano ba sa tingin mo kahit nasa PULITIKA At NEGOSYO sila hahayaan na lng natin na sirain nila ang CATANDUANES? Siguro naman tao ka rin na marunong magmahal sa sariling ISLA….
YAN BA ANG SINASABI Mong PALAWAKIN NATIN ANG ATING ISIPAN??? NASAAN ANG POINT OF VIEW MO DOON???
"Study nature, love nature, stay close to nature. It will never fail you if you will not destroy the nature"
BATO BATO SA LANGIT ANG TAMAAN AY WAG MAGALIT!
BATO BATO SA LANGIT ANG TAMAAN AY WAG MAGALIT!
In general, ang basehan ng survey ay base sa mga gawaing illegal ng mga nasa Gobyerno. Kc natanim na sa mga isipan ng mga respondent yang mga bulok na nasa Gobyerno ang ganyang klase ng mga maling sistema. Kaya di natin sila pwedeng diktahan kung bakit ganyan ang iniisip ng mga tao. Kung pakikinggan nyo ang boses ng tao .. iisa ang sigaw “NO TO MINING IN CATANDUANES” baka mabungog ka lng!
Yun resolution ng council, enough na yun na representacion nin bilog na banwa. Kaya dapat dae sana mauyam kung nasa posisyon ka man ning DOE. Sisay pa man ang babatikosin uya kundi yong mga nasa Gobyerno. Ngata? Imposible man na so pala-uma buda mangingisda ang mag-mina uya..
Hindi yan one-sided kundi yan ang REALITY uya sa satuyang banwa! Bako man baga kitang BUTA para dae mo mahiling ang mga nangyayari. Ano ba ang purpose ng DOE sa mining????????
"DETERMINATION CAN OVERCOME ALL OBSTICALS."
to sir jorge and sir Rogelio
gusto ko po sabihon na kung tangata kaming 109 members ning CF (composed of 96 percent as of now) gakontra sa mina sa catanduanes sa kadahilanan ning mga sumusonod.
1. because of the bad effect sa invironment.
2. walang tiwala ang tao sa DENR, DOE, kay GOV, kay CONG, at sa magkapilang MAYORS.
3. because the people in catanduanes is greedy and corrupt.(d trapos).
ENVIRONMENTAL DEGRADATION asin CORRUPTION ang pinakaconcern namin gabos.
Sabi nyo sir Jorge,
“Provide Livelihood to the people, pump prime the local economy, self reliance on indigenous energy source, make use of God given natural resource, revenue generation to the local and provincial government.”
Baging gusto nyon sabihon na masolusyonan ang gabos tang problima sa coal mining naan. Environmental effect and corruption po yong sa hiling ko pinakaimportante. Coal mining will provide livelihood to the people maybe 5 years lang po but the environmental effect ay mabilang ng dekada. Kahit maggenerate ng revenue sa LGU kung corrupt naman po ang nasa LGU walang silbi po yon.
MINING ON CATANDUANES
This debate is going nowhere and it will run and run if we let it. I propose that we draw a line. People on both sides have their opinions and they are not going to be swayed by the opposition arguments.
I suggest we drop the issue from the CF and work outside the Forum, setting up another perhaps, dedicated to the anti-mining on Catanduanes campaign.
Let it be known that anyone trying to bring mining to Catanduanes is going to meet some very stiff and determined opposition.
I am not against mining per se, but I am against it on Catanduanes.
Sweet Bikolana
Mining on Catanduanes
Bringing the issue outside of this Forum is probably the best way CF and its members can do to serve our people. In fact, if I were there, I would have done that as well.
On the other hand, i still suggest the continued debate of the issue here as what is written is history.
Dave
Nawala Ang Mina
Is this the reason why my posted comment against mining was deleted in the forum? As Catanduanganon i want my voice to be heard too and be counted. Dave you can expect from me any kind of support to our beloved Catanduanes aspirations. Count me in manpower and cents!!!!
Nawawalang Mina
Ilaya, magurang ka man. ha ha ha... i'm sorry if your comment was deleted, i probably did it by accident as i have been deleting things on this site. Sorry!
I normally do my administrative duty here on the site before bed and that is what happened. But let not my error stop you from being heard. Sorry again. Magullurang man kamo! ha ha ha
Dave
DEFEND PATRIMONY & KALIKASAN ORG.
Mungkahi ko po, mas mganda invite rin natin ang Defend Patrimony & Kalikasan Org. Kumpleto sila ng datos hingil sa usaping mining. Nangunguna sila sa paglaban sa lahat na tipo ng pagmimina na higit na nagdadala ng polusyon at pagkasira ng kalikasan.
Makakatulong po ako sa pag-imbita at pagkontak sa kanila. PM lang po nyo ako kung kelan natin sila iimbitahan.
"Bayan kong sinilangan, pinamumugaran na ng mga swapang"
Defend Patrimoy & Kalikasan Org
go ahead john, invite them here. I have sent email to Haribon myself. Hope they give positive response.
Dave
SPEAK OUT YOUR MIND!
SPEAK OUT YOUR MIND!
All CF member are cordially invited to speak out your mind kung sino ang pabor at di pabor sa coal mining. The issues were raised and please share your ideas, suggestions, complain if ever etc……
Here’s my point of view:
Bakit pa natin hihintayin na ma-prosper ang coal mining sa catanduanes? Dapat bago kayo magplano ng coal mining naiisip nyo ang magiging effect. Hindi lng effect sa bulsa but most of all bad effect sa environment. Some of the environmental will be damage such as pollution of the waterways and the poisoning of water resources, the collapse of mountains. I hope that subsequent mining activities will be restricted to small-scale miners who with their long-term stake in their respective communities tend to be more responsible about preventing environmental damage. The numerous disasters for the effect of environmental damage emphasize the importance of a more farsighted approach to economic development. Clearly, both in the present and future, of damage inflicted on our environment. Walang kahahantungan except for the worse. Why? It’s your turn, The answer is your “opinion”.
PANAWAGAN:
For those on commercial interest or other participants in the area’s emerging for coal business, sana naman po wag nyo na ituloy ang plano nyo.. Developed action plans for saving the environment.
GO GREEN AND HELP SAVE THE ENVIRONMENT! SAVE THE WORLD.
"DETERMINATION CAN OVERCOME ALL OBSTICALS."
Ms. Lovely, Wag naman tabi
Ms. Lovely,
Wag naman tabi na mag generalize ka at bad yan. I'm assure you na kadakur pa din sa gobyerno ang matinong nagtratrabaho kahit kapirangot lang ang sahod and beside the points I'm from Catanduanes too and it so happen na asa DOE lang ako. I've seen so many loopholes, corruption , etc. in the bureaucracy but does not stop me from working efficiently and to the best of I can be. Kadakur talaga ang katiwalian at anomalous na transakyones ngayon kung patuloy ko tong titingnan at magiging negativo baad dai nako mag grow professionally. You have to learn to trust in order to be trusted and despite of so many negative things that happens we must learn to see goodness in everybody.
The reason why I became a geologist is that I've seen so many beautiful things and wonder of nature in our province which have been shape by geological forces throughout the geologic time. At di ko to pede na ipagpalit sa kakapirasong barya lang.
Lastly, mabalos Mr. Dave for posting my view in the Catanduanes Forum. I do hope na kahit papano ay naiparating ko sa mga kababayan natin yung totoo. At kung ikan pa nin kulang ay willing akong to discuss it under the sun. My wish ko lang na sana ay maging balanse tayo at ipresent lahat ng issue na maliwanag sa tao kasi in the end sila naman ang magdedecide whether they will allow mining in Catanduanes or not. There is proper time and forum for the issues and concerns to be raised, addressed and answered. Lets wait for that at pag ajan na yan we should all be there to discuss, share, argue and interact with it objectively, squarely and with openness.
Being a geologist does not necessarily mean that I am pro mining and environmental degrader, what I would like to present here is an alternative option for people to use the resources that is god-given for development and as technical of DOE I have the moral obligation to present this to the people. And as I said pabayaan natin silang magdecide kung pano sila uunlad at iishape yung future ng Catanduanes. We have so many ecological disasters to remind us na we should always be responsible in dealing with our environment and that technology always come to offer solutions. It just matter na maging open lang tayo at pagaralan kung yung mga technology at alternatives na dumadating ay magiging epektibo at makakatulong for our betterment. Not everything is offered in a silver platter. There is always a trade off. It just a matter which one to choose.
Mabalos for giving me time!
Rogelio A. del Rosario, Jr.
insulto ito sa “intellect” ng mga taong may-matinong pag-iisip
Para sa akin, hindi naman “accurate” ang resulta ng kahit anupang uri at tipo ng survey. Kahit gaano ka-scientific ang applied methodologies, hindi pa rin nito kayang tumbukin ang katotohanan sa likod mga isyus at usapin.
Ang survey ay malaking negosyo. Ginagamit ito para mag-motivate sa damdamin, magkondisyon ng isipan at maghawi sa daan na nais tahakin ng mga grupo ng tao at indibidwal.
Sa usapin ng pagtitiwala ng tao sa DOE, DENR, at ibang ahensya ng pamahalaan, at sa mga pulitikong sangkot sa napipintong paggahasa sa likas na yaman ng Catanduanes, talagang negatibo ang tugon ng mayorya nang mga mamamayan. Hindi na kailangan ang survey dito sapagkat ang mga letihimong representate ng apektadong lugar ay mismong gumawa ng resolusyon/kalatas para tutulan ang pagmi-mina sa kanilang hurisdiksyon. Isina-tinig lamang ng Municipal Council ang damdamin ng masa na kanilang nasasakupan. Nakasulat na. Dokumentado na, ano pang ebidensya ang gustong ihirit ng mga taong naglalaway sa Coal ng Catanduanes?
Kung hihimayin natin ang mga argumento ni Ginoong Jorge Mancenas, nais niyang isalarawan ang COAL MINING Operations sa Catanduanes bilang isang “anghel” na sasalba KUNO sa kahirapan ng mga tao. Ito ang tunay na PARANOIA! Malaking insulto ito sa “intellect” ng mga taong may-matinong pag-iisip. Kunting sarap kapalit ng panghabang-buhay na paghihirap? Hindi tayo mga bata na kayang mauto kapalit ng isang pirasong kendi o lollipop!
Inilahad na dito sa CF ang mga ebedinsya at aktuwal na nangyari sa mga lugar na nagkaroon ng pagmimina. Naipakita na ang mga negatibong epekto nito sa kalikasan at sa tao. Sa karanasan ng pagmimina sa Pilipinas, naitala na ang malawakang korapsiyon sangkot ang gobyerno at mga pulitikong nakikipagsabwatan sa mga kapitalista’t negosyante. Mulat na ang sambayanan sa polusyong kumikitil hindi lamang sa tao, kundi sa mundong dapat iniingatan kasalukuyang henerasyon para maging paraiso ng susunod pang salinlahi.
Hindi ko maintindihan kung bakit tila bumubula ang kanilang bibig tuwing nasisilayan ang deposito ng Coal sa Catanduanes. Hindi maarok ng aking mababaw na kamalayan kung bakit para silang nag-aastang asong-ulol pag-mina na ang pinag-uusapan. Sana mali ako sa aking impresyon.... impresyon na nagsasabing “kasabwat” nga sila ng mga buwayang nais kamkamin ang yaman ng ating Isla kahit ang kapalit nito’y ang pagkasadlak ng bayan sa pagdurusa’t kahirapan.
Sana panaginip lang ito para manatili pa ang aking respeto sa mga taong kilala ko.
Nanawagan tayo sa mga KAIBIGAN jan sa isla, tutulan natin ang COAL Mining sa lahat na paraang kaya natin.
"Bayan kong sinilangan, pinamumugaran na ng mga swapang"
DOE @ Rogelio. del Rosario jr.
Mr. del Rosario,
Salamat po sa iyong paliwanag.... Sabi mo nga may matinong tao pa nag work sa gobyerno >,ISA na rin kayo dun. .. Ako hinde nag generalize., ,matatawag ba yun na BAD nag sasabi lang ako ng totoo., ,Ayun sa source or survey" , may mga tao ,wala ng tiwala sa DOE,.DNR, at sa politiko na involve sa MINING... WHAT CAN I DO? Kung wala ng tiwala sila...karapatan po nila yun .
" ANG MAHAL NA PANGINOON LANG ANG MAKAGPASABI KUNG ANG TAO NAG SASABI NG TOTOO.,O NAG SISINUNGALING."
BALANCED VIEW
Mabalos tabi Mr. Del Rosario sa imong pasabot manongod sa status nin Coal Project sa Catandunes. Ikan pa nga Catandunganons who can share their views about the coal project based on their hands on experience. With all due respect and apologies for mentioning their names, I’m inviting to participate in this forum Eng. Joseph Vargas of Virac, Engr. Raul Arojo of Viga, and Eng. Manny Ogena of PNOC.
Dear Mr. Macenas, Marhay na
Dear Mr. Macenas,
Marhay na aldaw. Mabalos tabi sa mga pinaabot mo sa ating mga kababayan about responsible mining. I could add from the list of personalities that you mention the likes of Dr. Carlos Arcilla, a geologist and director of UP-National Institute of Geological Science and Mr. Antonio C. Olarte also a geologist who hails from Viga and is presently connected with the private mining sector. He used to work with the Coal Division of DOE from 1993-1995. If this personalities will share their views I'm sure marami tayong mapupulot na ideas sa kanila. Mr. Manny Ogena is now the VP of PNOC-EDC and an excellent geoscientist from the geothermal sector. I'm sure also if he could be invited to participate in this forum, his geological expertise will enlightened our kababayan na nagaisip ng masyadong negatibo sa mining. With so many ideas pouring in I'm sure na magiging balanse ang catanduanes forum at matatawan nin pagkakataon ang mga kababayan nato na magisip ng tama at maayos.
Again I salute you sir sa pigatao mong technical expertise sa forum na to.
Rogelio A. del Rosario
ano daw sir jorge
ano daw sir jorge kung pwede ta man mainvite ang Haribon Foundation and all the environmental activist like Laurie David and Sebastian Rodrigues para maging balance puro engr man pan-o pigainvite mo.ang parasila dae man maarado ta parasila baga.parehas man an sa minero dae man an matanon ning batag ta parakaykay baga an.
NO TO COAL MINING IN CATANDUANES!!!
ALL STAKEHOLDERS ARE WELCOME
Eman, gabos tabi na stakeholders are welcome to participate. This is an open forum about the Coal prospect in Catanduanes. Mas marenas kun uya man si father Gapas, LGU, TWG asin mga local na sektor na interesante sa proyektong ito.
We should look at the coal prospect like a balance sheet by equating the Assets (benefits) and Liabilities(risk and cost).
INBITADO LAHAT
Ang suggestion ko lahat na klaseng tao sa isla Catandungan" O "anuman ang hanap buhay....Inbitahan lahat para malaman ng gabos na tao na magkaka igwa ng mining sa Isla,....yun naka tira sa liblib na lugar walang alam sa usapin sa mining...,para makunan din sila ng opinion kung Pabor or Hinde sa pag mining sa isla Catanduanes.
" NO MINING IN CATANDUANES"
Haribon et al
this is a good challenge and a good move towards a move balanced view!
Dave
Balanced View
Good to hear that JOM. I hope they can participate in this forum to shed light to issues regarding this mining.
Meanwhile thank you JOM for the initiative! Ihaw na nin malasugi!
Dave
Basta ikaw amigo, pirmi
Basta ikaw amigo, pirmi sanang ikan malasugi. Pahubasan nato yung beer dyan sa sea breeze.
Paki avisuhan mo tabi si Luangare na special guest ko sya sa August 14-15 sa Viga. Magdara nin tuba pero bawal mangitik nin palas sa kili-kili
DOE Inform on mining in Catanduanes( sa kanila side)
Ayun sa source karamihan sa taga Catanduanes walang ng tiwala sa DOE ,DNR at SA POLITIKO ,> "ANG DAPAT MAKUNAN NG INFORMATION ANG TAGA MONTE ORO ,WHAT IS STATE OF PLAY REGARDING MONTE ORO'S RESEARCH INTO COAL MINING ON CATANDUANES.
Please be reminded that the
Please be reminded that the government is the number ONE employer in Catanduanes. Most, if not ALL of us has relatives employed in government agencies such as DOE, DENR, Dep Ed, Law enforcements, LGUs and many more. Disparaging these government employees as generally corrupt, cannot be trusted, inept, etc is not fair to the deserving government employees and their families – maybe not fair to one of your relatives who chose to stay and serve the people of Catanduanes.
A person who mistrust more should be trusted less.
I'm always reminded
Are you, by your post above, telling us to remove the word "generally" on corrupt? Or are you telling us there is no corruption in government?
Ok. I'll forget the unfortunate labeling, but that is not the issue. The issue is that there is distrust in the government's handling mining given the ecological disasters brought about by mining. Ergo, the opposition to mining coal in Payo is brought about by the fear that these ecological disasters may also happen! That is a valid fear that needs to be addressed. That is the bone of contention in this forum.
No to mining in Catanduanes!
Dave
i am
i am for no mining in catanduanes because the way i observed people in catanduanes is greedy and corrupt, seldom i know of people who is like dave, kurdaya,manuukag,sweet bikolana and sophie who are willing to figth for the truth.sometime people who are figthing for truth are the laughing stock.many worship money as if it is god.how many leader in catanduanes became instant leader.became congressman governor to name some tapia sanchez, santiago worst of them all our very own governor cua and many other because of money. how many bright catandunganon lost in politics in catanduanes because they have no money. cong santiago is a good political timber , he is a valedictorian in san beda college of law.but rate him in many decision he has in the august body of congress.it is all but because of money and greed of our people kawa naman si tiago. he was not present when the congressman cast there vote to impeach gloria , he voted for cha-cha.all but for money.buy vote.
That's government's obligation
The government exist primarily to serve and protect its people, among them the maintenance of peace and order, the protection of life, liberty, and property, and promotion of the general welfare for the enjoyment by its entire people of the blessings of democracy (environment included).
Distrust of the citizenry in government is evident by the recent surveys wherein people in government are obtaining negative ratings. This is the result of numerous controversies unearthed to the eyes of the wondering public.
When people start to show distrust on them, the best thing for them to do is to mend their ways. They can only do so by showing real transparency in all government transactions.
We cannot blame people when they express their exasperation over the government; it’s because of the callousness and pathetic ways of some people in government.
There will be more lovely_sophie, john_torres, amore, sweet_bikolana, and man-uukag (plus the others who were not mentioned) in the future who will boldly denounce this generally corrupt, cannot be trusted, inept, etc. people in government.
PLEASE BE REMINDED @JORGE MACENAS
Ang pinag usapan natin dito About mining saka mga employed sa goverment.. pati pamilya na involved ,,.Ano ba ang magagawa kung walang tiwala ang mga tao....mapipilit ba sila na mag tiwala , RIGHT NILA YUN... for your information sa mga nababangit mo mga goverment angency, ....wala ako parents or sister or brother nag work dyan.....nabuhay kami sa sarling medical business and work abroad...Hinde po kami pina lamon ng magulang ko sa galing sa pinag corrupt... Kung meron kami distant relatives nag work sa goverment... kung sila nag corrupt pag sabihan ko...HInde maganda yun pina palamon nila sa pamilya nila pinag corrupt. KUNG nagawa nila yun ,sila naman ang mag dadala nun at pati ka apo apohan, " MAY BALIK NA KARMA".may kasabihan" masarap ang mabuhay na walang taong inaagradyado. at mamatay na malinis ang konsensya"
Mr,Jorge macenas, pag napag usapan yun tungkol sa MINING ,masyado ka interesado,.kung sumagot ka may pagka pilosopo ,naka irata po kayo..( Pasencia na,nag sasabi lang ako ng totoo)walang ka pakundagan ki babae o lalaki .lagi mo pinag depende yun mining.
1. IKAW BA MAG APPLY NG TRABAHO SA MINING?.... AYUN SA MGA SINASABI MO MARAMI KA EXPERIENCE ABOUT MINING...KUNG SAAN ANG MINING UPDATED KA ,MARAMI KA ALAM..ANG SABI MO WALANG PERSONALAN. IKAW LANG NAMAN ANG NAKA ALAM NUN.
2. ANO ANG PURPOSE MO?
I am sorry sir Dave ,nag sasabi lang ako ng tapat.
Cool, lovely- sophie
I know that we are all impassioned and as the survey tells many ACTIVE MEMBERS of CF are against the mining. However, please keep our cool and please avoid personal attacks. That's ok for now, i'm sure Mr. Macenas who I call JOM will understand you.
He is a good friend and I assure you he does not mean You personally but just generalizing which is his prerogative.
Let us focus on issues! If ever "government employed" are mentioned here, i'm sure it is applied particularly and not universally. I'm sure when we generalise, say "government officials are corrupt" we actually mean, "many government officials are corrupt" and it never meant "all government officials are corrupt" as that statement will automatically be logically wrong!
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On JOM, I have been noticing some fallacies of language committed. For example:
The argument that whoever is against mining is against technology because technology depends heavily on mined minerals and therefore should not use cell phone and etc... is a fallacy "non sequitor" from the context of mining in Catanduanes! IT DOES NOT FOLLOW! One Mine the moon, I have nothing against that. I'm not against mining IF NATURE WILL NOT BE ENDANGER!
There are, however failed mining that endangered people's lives! If life and the environment will be secured... for heaven's sake, let's go!
The agency that can ensure that lives and environment will be protected if mining will take place is our government agencies, DOE is one! The problem with that is that our government has failed to show dependability in securing our environment hence the people's lack of confidence... reason why mining in Catanduanes becomes scary! Not because mining per se is bad, but because the government who seems to be pushing the mining has failed to demonstrate moral dependability. More so that the company licensed by DOE to undergo the technical study is linked to the Arroyos!
No to mining and, JOM no fallacies please.
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Meanwhile, please keep your cool, lovely_sophie, and all of us.
Dave
NO FALLACIES
Amigo I keep my stand there is no fallacies in my reasoning about anti mining advocates should not patronize end products of mining. Anyway these are different point of views that must be respected but MUST not be suppressed by telling me " No fallacies please". If we make analogy of all the postings in CF, so called fallacies abounds and written all over the cyber walls, but out of respect I will not even entertain the idea of NO Fallacies please.
I remain.
NO FALLACIES
Ok, loud and clear. I respect your judgment. But there is no insinuation here of suppressing your point of view. Was only pinpointing a kind of argument. If you want us to accept that kind of reasoning that takes particular case, catanduanes mining, and apply it to the universal, up to you. Will not mention it again.
Dave
error in argument
fallacy ,error in argument, it is as if correct but not correct.as i am analyzing jom argument is not fallacious but rather correct.if you are not pro mining forget technology.do not heavily depend on what is the product of empirical science.yes jom argument is focus in the generality of subject matter but not in the particular argument about mining , specifically mining in catanduanes.but if in the general sense mining is good it fallows that mining in specific term is correct.because if the cause is good it will never give an effect which is contrary to good.
to jom i am with you in extracting these mineral, BUT SAD TO SAY THAT IN THE PROCESS THERE WILL BE A GREAT ABUSES ON THE PART OF MINER. I HAVE SEEN MANY GREEDY FELLOW CATADUNGANON. i APPEAL TO YOU SIR GEORGE MACINAS DO NOT SUPPORT THESE MINING IN CATANDUANES. LET US NOT DESTROY THE LAST EDEN IN OUR MIDST.
Lovely Sophie, right mong
Lovely Sophie, right mong magsabi ng nararamdaman mo. Let it out please. Kung pilosopo man dating ng mga argumento ko, iyan ay ayon sa iyong pananaw. Kung naiirita ka, look out mo yan, none of my business. Ayon sa aking pananaw ang argumento ko ay blunt, incisive, logical, based on facts, non hysterical and devoid of emotions. Sexualtiy has nothing to do with the on going argument. You can rant endlessly about corruption in the government, again karapatan mo kung ikaw ay TAXPAYER at nanatiling Pilipino citizen.
To answer your questions:
1. IKAW BA MAG APPLY NG TRABAHO SA MINING?....
Hindi po ako mag aaply ng trabaho sa mina dyan sa Catanduanes. Right now I'm managing a multinational company with annual revenue of Php6billion. Magiging malaking overhead at pabigat lang ako para sa maliit na coal mine dyan sa probinsyan natin. Kung tutulong ako on advisory capacity, it will be on "gratis" basis.
AYUN SA MGA SINASABI MO MARAMI KA EXPERIENCE ABOUT MINING...KUNG SAAN ANG MINING UPDATED KA ,MARAMI KA ALAM..ANG SABI MO WALANG PERSONALAN. IKAW LANG NAMAN ANG NAKA ALAM NUN.
Thank you for taking notice of my knowledge about mining which was gained from more than 20 years experience and continuing search for knowldedge.
2. ANO ANG PURPOSE MO?
My purpose is PRO POOR and Pro development.
Provide Livelihood to the people, pump prime the local economy, self reliance on indigenous energy source, make use of God given natural resource, revenue generation to the local and provincial government.
I trust I made my points clear.